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Millivolt MCUs Emerging

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Microp
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3/6/2012 2:21:28 AM
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Low power MCU- a promising technology
Rich, such low power consuming devices have a promising future in MCU/Embedded world. In most of the high end devices/appliances energy harvesting is a major concern and such low power consuming chips can incorporate for a better durability.

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Rich Quinnell
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3/6/2012 12:23:55 PM
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Re: Low power MCU- a promising technology
Your mention of energy harvesting is right on the money. The people working on these near-threshold devices often refer to the ability to operate on a single solar cell as a feature of these devices. I presume that even under artificial lighting a cell can generate enough power to run one of these. Thus, anywhere that the users can see, these MCUs can operate. It makes for a tremendous application space.

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Rich Quinnell
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3/6/2012 11:30:54 PM
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Re: Low power MCU- a promising technology
Microp, so what would you use such a low-power MCU for? The technology seems promising, but at the moment I am at a loss as to what would be useful to do if I could operate essentially without any power, even using energy harvesting.

Maybe we can turn the problem on its head, and consider applications where power is available but not voltage. A single AAA cell would have plenty of headroom to run one of these devices with peripherals. Further, it could run for a long time because it would not be dependent on the battery's terminal voltage being near its peak.

Any other suggestions out there? What could you do with an MCU that needed less than a volt in order to function?

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northstar
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3/7/2012 6:25:22 AM
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Re: Low power MCU- a promising technology
Rich, here is a possible applications: sensors in garments: http://www.newscientist.com/blog/invention/2007/10/circuit-board-clothing.html

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Rich Quinnell
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3/7/2012 1:04:07 PM
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Re: Low power MCU- a promising technology
Northstar, interesting concept, but I see that the post is from 2007. I haven't seen any wearable electronics cloth come out yet. And if you to put biometric sensors all over, say, a shirt - then what? Would this be used for a medical monitor of some kind?

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Ryszard Milewicz
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3/7/2012 5:31:38 PM
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Re: Low power MCU- a promising technology
Perhaps medical monitor (ECG) powered by thermal generator using temperature difference between body and ambient? Self-powered hearing implant?

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Rich Quinnell
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3/7/2012 6:48:04 PM
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Re: Low power MCU- a promising technology
Ryszard, yes those sound promising. The difference between body temperature and ambient has already been proven to be enough to power wristwatches and the like, so such monitors could easily work off of body heat. And with a microcontroller you could do more than simply monitor, you could trigger an alarm of some kind. Thanks for the example.

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northstar
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3/8/2012 3:14:30 AM
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Re: Low power MCU- a promising technology
Rich, here is a more up-to-date reference for a in-garment sensor: http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/01/apple-wins-smart-garment-iphone-circuit-board-patents.html

I notice that there is some kind of trend for this sensors into garments lately. I remember 10 years ago that I talked with a mountain rescuer and he told me that their jackets are equipped with a tracking device. If, for example, they are injured and lost, a detection device was able to locate them. This seems pretty common today, but at that time, this "device" was very tiny and embedded into jacket's textile. For that time, it was cutting edge technology.

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Rich Quinnell
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3/8/2012 11:23:17 AM
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Re: Low power MCU- a promising technology
Northstar, interesting article about Apple's smart garment" patent. The stated benefits include an ability to monitor "wear patterns" for the garment, so they can be compared to those predicted for the garment. If I interpret that correctly, it means they are watching how the garment degrades over time as compared to expectations. The initial uses were with Nike for running shoes.

I wonder what they do with this data? The optimist in me says "design better, more durable shoes" but the cynic says "design shoes to support turnover in inventory." I sincerely hope it is the former.

This does give me an idea for these low-voltage MCUs. How about an orthotic insert for shoes that monitors pressure and walking patterns, using piezovoltaic power from standing and walking, that can then have their data downloaded to a physician's computer for the design of custom orthotics inserts for your shoes? An electronic Dr Scholls.

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northstar
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3/8/2012 11:29:54 AM
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Re: Low power MCU- a promising technology
And more, the data it will be automatically downloaded through an inductive circuit (or Wifi or some other wireless method) when shoes' owner step into a mall, for example. That way, data were collected without stressing the "subject". But some data could cross privacy boarders ... track your path literally!

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duanebenson
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3/6/2012 12:48:16 PM
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Have you heard anything about any of the external components typically needed in an embeded system also operating on down near threshold voltage? I'm thinking about things like MOSFETs, LED, MEMs devices. I know there are a lot of level translation methods, but it would be nice to be able to keep the entire system down in the same low-power range.

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Ryszard Milewicz
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3/6/2012 1:09:13 PM
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I do agree with Duane, we need low voltage peripheals. For example wireless sensor node: sensor, ADC, RF transmitter. Then all could be supplied using e.g. thermoelectric generator.

By the way, in MCP560x core works at 1.2V and I/O at 3-5V, but it is not very energy efficient processor.

 

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duanebenson
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3/6/2012 3:39:53 PM
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Some of the newer PIC processors, and of course some of the ARMs, operate down to 1.8V but I haven't built anything to run at that voltage yet. There is the peripheral issue and 1.8V is an odd voltage. The standard battery won't cut it and Lithium would require a regulator to drop the voltage. Barring a specific need, I don't see much point to 1.8V. 1.2 could get by with most single cell batteries, so that would make more sense.

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Rich Quinnell
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3/6/2012 4:28:45 PM
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Duane, does that 1.8V need to be regulated? I would think that the MCU had its own internal regulator and that it would tolerate a supply voltage down to 1.8V but up well above that because if its internal regulation. Does the spec sheet show a broad range?

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duanebenson
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3/6/2012 6:12:52 PM
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One of the chips I've used, the PIC18LF26K22 can operate down to 1.8 volts. I don't see anything in the datasheet about a built-in regulator in that chip. The datasheet I have is still in preliminary state so there may be a bit on information covering supply that I haven't seen yet.

Some PICs do have internal regulators though. The PIC18F24J50 wants the core to stay at 2.5 Volts or less. It has an internal regulator for the core voltage allowing the I/O to be supplied with and operate at 3.3 volts. The data sheet notes that if the main input voltage drops below 2.5 volts, then the core will just follow operate at the supply voltage.

The ARM LPC1114 that I'm getting familiar with, doesn't show an internal regulator. The electrical characteristic charts show things like supply current on a continuous line from 1.8V to 3.6V. I'd interpret that to mean that any regulated voltage in that range would be fine. Some of the charts specifically call out different curves for 1.8V, 2.0V, 3.3V and 3.6V. Again, that would imply to me that it operates at any regulated voltage in that range.

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Ryszard Milewicz
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3/6/2012 7:23:56 PM
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PIC18F24J50 has internal regulator while LF version doesn't and must use external.

I think LPC1114 has internal LDO because Vcc is explained in datasheet as "supply voltage to the internal regulator" and other ARM MCUs have LDO built-in.

STM32F1 internal regulator has output voltage 1.8V, STM32F2 and STM32F4 1.2V.

PIC32MX5xx/6xx/7xx internal regulator output is 1.8V typical. So if you use 3.6V power supply, 50% of input power is lost.


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gutman
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3/10/2012 10:05:51 AM
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0.9V Silabs
I am missing here SiliconLabs 0.9V family with several interesting products.

http://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/lowpower/Pages/C8051F90x-91x.aspx

 

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Rich Quinnell
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3/12/2012 2:33:07 PM
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Re: 0.9V Silabs
Gutman,  Thanks for the additional reference. Like most other currently-available MCUs, this one can operate with a supply below 1V because it has an on-chip DC-DC converter to bring that voltage up to the 1.8V that the core needs. Thus, this part and others like it are not what I would consider millivolt MCUs, which operate with core voltages near transistor switching thresholds. This near-trheshold operation means they use much less power than those with a core at 1.8V, even if the supply voltage is below that threshold.

Still, good to have low-voltage operation MCUs pointed out. Helps address current requirements.

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gutman
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3/12/2012 7:30:01 PM
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Re: 0.9V Silabs
Strange. Reading technical data it seems Silabs MCU is working at 0.9V.

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Rich Quinnell
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3/12/2012 7:50:59 PM
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Re: 0.9V Silabs
Yes, input supply voltage can be as low as 0.9V. The internal voltage is higher, however. There is a DC-DC converter described in the datasheet that permits single-cell operation from a battery despite the core's need for 1.8V. This is the difference between what is available today and the research devices. Today's cores operate above 1V. The research devices have cores that can operate below 1V.

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