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Your Body Is the Wiring in Communications System

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
3/19/2013 4:46:23 PM
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Re: "Whether this is due to Smeed's Law or the fact that helmets are inherently ineffective at preventing concussion, I cannot tell"

Yes, one would have to compare concussion rates among helmet users vs. non-helmet users per accident type -- a tricky proposition. 

Incidentally, even if helmets do not decrease concussion rates in any appreciable way, one might be given to wonder if they do at least reduce the severity of a concussion (there are multiple grades).

It's also worth pointing out that a concussion can occur even without direct impact.  A sudden acceleration or deceleration with no impact can still cause injury.  Obviously, helmets can not really prevent these sorts of injuries and therefore these particular injuries should not be taken into account regarding the efficacy of helmets (except insofar as one might study the effect mere helmet use has on accidents, injury and overall safety, the hypothesis being that a person who uses a helmet, merely by being mindful enough to wear a helmet, is less likely to have an accident and/or be injured in an accident (and/or more likely to be injured less severely than they would otherwise)).

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dimonic
dimonic
3/19/2013 2:47:31 PM
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Yes, they already have that. I was looking at an article for air bags for motor cyclists just the other day I think on smart planet.

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ASEEMOV
ASEEMOV
3/19/2013 2:42:24 PM
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Well, actually I was thinking of the sensor being in the bike so that the impact is sensed early - just like in case of a car - not in the helmet. But the rest of the protection mechanism in the helmet. 

 

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dimonic
dimonic
3/19/2013 2:37:53 PM
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For cars, the air bags deploy when sensors at the extremities of the car detect serious acceleration (deceleration). There are several microseconds left before the human occupants will be subjected to the same forces in which to deploy airbags.

 

Accelerometers attached to the body cannot help in this way. One would need some kind of anticipatory sensor - an "imminent collision detector" that would deploy the protective measure a fraction of a second before the collision.

 

That would certainly be possible - for example a doppler radar type system could determine a combination of closing velocity and proximity. However, I would foresee great difficulty in getting the decision right with respect to near misses, or hard to "image" objects (radar transparency) etc.

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ASEEMOV
ASEEMOV
3/19/2013 1:56:45 PM
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Cool idea! Someday maybe helmets with some kind of air bag or smart sponge technology that would blow outward to minimize the impact and avoid further impacts/damage after the blow out ??..Crazy - I dunno..

 

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dimonic
dimonic
3/19/2013 1:29:50 PM
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And then it would be the opportunity for another manufacturer to elbow past the big boys.

 

Also - there is no evidence to support the notion that helmets prevent or even reduce concussion at all. There are studies that show no reduction in incidence of concussion from helmet use. Whether this is due to Smeed's Law or the fact that helmets are inherently ineffective at preventing concussion, I cannot tell.

 

Helmets do prevent or reduce direct trauma to the scalp, and significantly reduce injuries such as fractures and lacerations, nasal and oral/dental injuries etc.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
3/19/2013 11:39:07 AM
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FWIW, I could see certain manufacturers reluctant to include such technology for fear that it would highlight their shoddily made products in case of an accident where the helmet failed to provide advertised protection -- or even contributed to the injury!

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dimonic
dimonic
3/19/2013 9:35:49 AM
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Actually I was having this discussion with my wife and we talked about applying the idea to her riding helmet (she rides horses).

 

I think organized team sports would be perfect in the data gathering phase because of the frequency of incidents and the oversite that is present. However, once metrics have been established I could see this being the default way that helmets of all kinds are made.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
3/18/2013 10:32:08 PM
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I wonder if such technology might also have a useful application in bicycle and motorcycle helmets.  In case of an accident, perhaps they would have diagnostic purpose as well as serve as evidence in a legal claim.

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Rich Quinnell
Rich Quinnell
3/18/2013 8:27:47 PM
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Sounds like you have a plan. All you need now is a sponsor. Maybe the local athletic association would be willing to fund the design and trial?

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