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Before I leave - another observation I have is that for many other blog sites, I find g+ is eating them up. Many people like the ease of getting their tech community stuff in one place rather than site hopping as is the case for sites like this. Not sure what can be done about that - but one should certainly be aware of the competition.

Program Manager

ok Duane see you around 

System supervisor

I need to head off to other duties now. It was good chatting.

Blogger

http://www.solidworks.com/sw/products/free-cad-software-downloads.htm

System supervisor

I think Solid Works is more or less the standard for 3D work, but I don't know what it costs.

Blogger

check also this Solid works 

System supervisor

Nemos - I haven't used AutoCAD in twenty years. There are a few inexpensive CAD alternatives, but I still have the issue of getting the structure fabricated up.

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if I am not wrong you can connect your CAD drawings to a CNC machine , ( I dont know about costs)

System supervisor

but you know how to use autocad isnt it ? 

System supervisor

I don't have a lot of mechanical design and assembly expertise. I don't think that would be too much of an issue if I had access to a CNC machine or some sort of machine tool. I just don't have any way of working on metal and plastic othar than a simple drill and saw.

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ok ,christosqwe @ yahoo . com  

System supervisor

Nemos - I want something that can face a person eye to eye and can raise and lower it's head to match the height of the person talking.

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Nemos - I have planned on making much of it available as open source.

Blogger

hmmmm why mechanical side is a problem how big is your robot ? 

System supervisor

bye ante,Rys

System supervisor

Nemos - Pretty much all of what I've done so far is available in many places as open source. The difficult parts (for me, at least) will be the mechanical side and once I start using an Android tablet for control.

Blogger

make your project open source ,

System supervisor

Ive' got the main motor drivers up and running as I2C slaves and a few different hosts that I can use to control them.

Blogger

@duane open it 

System supervisor

machine learning ? @Rys

System supervisor

Nemos - The robot is going a lot slower than I had hopes (naturally). Rather than just building it, I've been exploring and writing about so many different subjects I spend a lot less time on the robot than I would like. 

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Robotics will be also interesting.

Bye David 

System supervisor

" I wonder how many of those non-electroncis people actually come to the site. " Not many I think 

System supervisor

The site may be targeted at the non-expert, but I wonder how many of those non-electroncis people actually come to the site.

Blogger

duane how it is going with your robot ? still waiting for you call for participation ;) 

System supervisor

@Rich

 yes I would accept such blogs. Got any in mind?

I will think about it.

Bye

Blogger

Bye for now, guys. Post one final suggestion before leaving, if you can.

ANd thanks for participating.

Best wishes for your new year.

Blogger

Talk to you next week, Rich

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Tks Rich, see you later, i going out to, same motive, but, I will seek mother

Program Manager

Rich, Antedeluvian - I see designs that are obviously put together by seasoned professionals, but I also see a fair number of designs put together by people (even from very large companies) that look more like high-school projects than the work of someone in a multi-billion dollar corporation.

Blogger

AD, yes I would accept such blogs. Got any in mind?

Blogger

ok Rich , 

System supervisor

@Rich

well the site is supposed to be inclusive, and the person coming from another discipline is a valid target for the site

I guess my question would becaome: Would you accept blogs targeted at that market?

Blogger

the site is as it should be ,why  we are focusing on the site instead of the projects that should or could do 

System supervisor

Guys, I am going to have to break off a bit early. My 90y0 mother has been visiting for the Holidays and I need to take her to the airport. Don't let my departure stop you, though, cuz I will come back to the archive to see what else you have said.

Blogger

AD, well the site is supposed to be inclusive, and the person coming from another discipline is a valid target for the site.

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Dimonic - The IoT is a reall good example of that MCU expert vs non-expert issue. It's a new subject to just about everyone and it's an opportunity to follow the standards.

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@Duane

That line between pro and amatuer or non-MCU person vs MCU person is an area I find interesting. I think MCUs are a technology where the skill set using them varies in a very wide range.

 

This is true, but is MCC aimed at (or will be aimed at) this demographic? What say you, Rich?

 

Blogger

time always time and money is the problem ..... 

System supervisor

@ryszard, OK. Good topic suggestion.

@david, yes, medical is a good topic area. Lots of hidden effects due to regulations to be wary of

Blogger

Personal medical devices with wireless inteface will be hot

@Duane, Mecidinal aplications.

Program Manager

@nemos, the hands-on projects I have planned is an effort to turn back to design, Time is the problem. I don't have much left after running this site.

Blogger

@Rich, I think humidity, temperature etc. sensors. For example there is wide range of temperature sensors (Pt100, K type etc.) and each needs different interface.

That line between pro and amatuer or non-MCU person vs MCU person is an area I find interesting. I think MCUs are a technology where the skill set using them varies in a very wide range.

Blogger

@duane and dimonic, good points. Targeting some effort to folks entering MCUs from other fields would be helpful

Blogger

@Rich ok but I dont think will be too difficult for you to turn back to design if you would like to do it 

System supervisor

Any posts which can facilitate professionals of any stripe get into MCUs and make practical use of them would probably find an audience, but especially at the edges - boundaries of design, which (in my experience) take the most time to code and test.

Program Manager

So we will see more rather than less people dipping into each others disciplines.

Program Manager

Nemos, actually I cut my MCU teeth on the Motorola 6800 when it had just doubled its clock rate from 500 kHz to 1 MHz. It's just that I have been a journalist instead of a designer for the last quarter century. So, broad understanding but lacking in fine details.

Blogger

@Rich, @duane - true, I think we are at a watershed moment when the capabilities of MCUs and computers are blurring.

Program Manager

@Ryszard

Sensors interfacing and further data processing will be interesting

I agree, but based on the number of responses to blogs on this subject, I don;t know if the interest is there.

Blogger

Rich, Dimonic - The story I see in my day job often enough is that of a non-electronic or software engineer being tasked with putting an MCU onto some device, like a mecahnical engineer needing to put some form of control or monitoring on a mechanical switch. Those folks are both seasoned professionals and MCU rookies.

Blogger

"Lots of folks getting into MCU design are coming from other diciplines" @Rich for example ? 

System supervisor

goodnight JK, thanks for joining in

Blogger

@ryszard, any particular types of sensors you would like to see, or just generic analog signal (which many sensors provide)?

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@duane - agreed, and there are always reasons to use certain devices. I would venture to say that projects becoming part of the IoT are probably new projects which have the freedom to choose 32 bit devices though. My concern is that people will create their own protocols with these 32 bit devices out of a lack of knowledge of what is already out there for Internet communication abd control.

Program Manager

Good night @Jk

System supervisor

It is past 10 pm here and I need to draw some botany drawings for my daughter's record book. Must take leave of you all now. Good Night and Bye

Blogger

@dimonic, good point. Lots of folks getting into MCU design are coming from other diciplines.

Blogger

Sensors interfacing and further data processing will be interesting

Dimonic - I would agree with you in concept. However, there are a lot of reasons keeping a lot of people using legacy devices. Cost-wise, there certainly isn't any reason to not use a 32 bit MCU. A lot of folks still aren't doing that though.

Blogger

DSPs? Hmmmm. we certainly could include some discussion of digital signal processing. The 8-bit folks won't find it too helpful, but it is becoming increasingly important to 32-bits. I'll add it to the list.

Blogger

@rich - I totally get that, and I don't think a few beginner tutorials would scare off the professionals, especially if they were at the "edges" of MCU stuff, where MCU people are often beginners too.

Program Manager

moving averages and exponential moving averages just make life easy when measuring RPMs and stuff.

Blogger

AK,

Whether it is sensors or just simple analog inputs, DSP with MCUs could be of great help.

Blogger

@dimonic, I can see how they would think that. This site is for professionals as well, and I would not want to slant it too far in one direction.

Blogger

@duane at the risk of causing upset - with the price and size of silicon dropping so rapidly, I am willing to bet that using more horsepower is cheaper (in the long run) than writing more (and redundant) code to make feeble devices work.

Program Manager

@JKvasan

I second some blogs on DSPs. They have been remarkably absent from MCC

Blogger

David - Sensors & such would be nice too.

Blogger

signal processing with mcus such as digital filtering, averaging, etc, - I would bet my money on.

Blogger

Dimonic - I'm just starting to look for the best way to add IPv6 to small MCU devices.

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@Rich - certainly for me. I have directed a few Maker types here, and they have told me that the site did not seem all that helpful as a resource for people coming from that (mostly Arduino) community.

Program Manager

@dimonic, sometimes CNTL-z will recover a lost post. have your cursor in the posting box when you type CTL-z and see if it works

Blogger

@dimonic the same here before press the post button copy your msg 

System supervisor

@Duane, Duane,

 

You're right, we can provide individual solutions for eg:

 

Sensors, among others.

Program Manager

so it's sounding like tutorial-type blogs would be the most popular and helpful

Blogger

@duane (another post dissapeared) for an IoT device, I would think that would mandate a certain capability level anyway? Especially for IPv6 support.

Program Manager

@duane, a way to generalize your suggestion would be to include tips on how to determine where the code needs to change. How to do the identification you mention

Blogger

Nemos, Arduino is and a must to be included.

Blogger

IEC 60730 would be a fine choice.

Blogger

David - An example might be: Here's the basic code to set up a Microchip PIC as an SPI slave. Identify which lines of code may change from PIC varient to varient. Here's the same for an AVR and ehre's the same for an ARM.

That level of detail might start to seem like "doing someone's homework" for them, but it's such a common question out on the Internet at large.

Blogger

@jh the best way to start for me is to go via arduino, all the other alternatives are at professional level thing that makes the learning process more difficult for a beginner 

System supervisor

Sure, I got it, RQ

Blogger

@jk, we should be vendor-agnostic. It would be good to include the sponsor, but not to focus on the sponsor exclusively.

Blogger

Standards such as ISO14971 could also be discussed in context with MCU applications

Blogger

I would think that REST would add more overhead than a lot of MCUs are capable of.

Blogger

May be one could start with NXP mcus - what do you all think?

Blogger

Duane,

 

Perhaps a page of applications for each type of microcontroller what do you think?

Program Manager

I am looking at concepts such as DMA, Memory Allocation, Code optimisation, MISRA, etc.

Blogger

dimonic excellent 

System supervisor

JK - Part of the problem that I've found with code examples like I2C or SPI is that most of them that the actual implementation on different MCUs can be so different that generic is difficult to do.

Certainly, though, running through the idosyncracies of various implementations would be helpful, or maybe examples that would duplicat the same functionality in several different MCUs.

Blogger

@nemos - I can certainly help with the open source side. I have been "living in Linux" since 1996.

Program Manager

@jk, state machines is a great topic. Thanks.

Blogger

RQ, I guess it should be a collaboration of people.

Blogger

@jk, helping students is a good idea, and Nemos, they help stimulate discussion through their questions, so that's a help

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open source ;) 

System supervisor

REST would allow IoT builders to focus on MCU design while taking advantage of existing software standards to do the remote command and control thing.

Program Manager

RQ, one more worthy inclusion would be state machines and related stuff.

Blogger

@Rich,

Richard,

 

To better organize ideas, this thread can create a poll via google docs, and pass on to everyone.

 

A simple form.

Program Manager

@demonic, thanks. I will look into it.

Blogger

#jk, my problem with offering that level of detail is finding folks who can provide it. I have been an engineer, but not done design for decades, so I am not the right candidate.

Blogger

Nemos, the whole idea is to help students.

Blogger

@Rich <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_state_transfer>

Program Manager

I dont think students can help much , 

System supervisor

At my workplace, we are experimenting with a RESTful http server model to control our GPR module (and display its data in a browser interface) in real time.

Program Manager

@demonic, not familiar with REST

Blogger

Another idea is to provide fully explained codes for device drivers - I2C, SPI, CAN, etc. Should be generic.

Blogger

@nemos, what is it you disagree with?

Blogger

@jk, yes more participation would be good

Blogger

Rich - I like the direction you've been taking in regards to security. It's an area that I need to learn more about and the security discussions have been very enlightening.

Blogger

The http REST paradigm would allow MCU monitoring and control with very little client software

 

Program Manager

(which includes students) good idea but not totally agree with that 

System supervisor

@duane, ok. we'll see what we can come up with on these.

Blogger

RESTful ones!

Program Manager

RQ, sure. The basic idea is to get more people to participate in our discussions, which includes students.

Blogger

@dimonic, which protocols did you have in mind?

Blogger

RQ, sure. The basic idea is to get more people to participate in our discussions, which includes students.

Blogger

Sorry - that was MCUs

 

Program Manager

I am in as well Rich 

System supervisor

Rich - One example might be accessing the SMbus/I2C connector that exsists on many PC motherboards (or at least it used to). Another might be using Python (or some other light weight language) to access data I/O from a serial port or USB.

Blogger

Little attention seems to be paid to information protocols. Now that MVUs no longer exist in a vaccuum, we need to use standards for information flow to monitor and control devices. Some discussion of this would be in order, I think,

Program Manager

@Rich , i like the idea : HW and FW

Program Manager

@jk, thanks for the offer for coordinating. I'll have to dwell a bit on how to arrange things and we can build up a program.

Blogger

I would be glad if both Arduino,mBed are included apart from any of the easy-to-use mcus.

Blogger

@david, what would you like to see in the examples? Code? Schematics? Just an overview?

Blogger

Nemos and others,

My mail Id is kiruthivasan@hotmail.com. Would be glad to co-ordinate the efforts on tutorials, if it is ok with RQ.

Blogger

I'd like to have a series on adding wireless Internet connectivity to any small device. It's been discussed a lot before, but I think it still needs more coverage. I'd include IpV6 too.

Blogger

jkvasan then definitely Arduino must be your choice 

System supervisor

@duane, any particular aspect of that need attention? I keep harping on security. What else should I be covering?

Blogger

Perhaps a page of examples for each type of microcontroller what you think.

PIC, ARM, ARDUINO. 

Samples HW and FW.

Program Manager

@duanebenson and of course information on how to monitor/control your internet enabled device from your mobile device (hope this doesn't double post - my last one just dissapeared).

Program Manager

Of course, an MCU site wouldn't be complete in 2013 without discussions on how to make devices a part of the Internet of Things.

Blogger

just checked, our homepage is live now

Blogger

Nemos, i meant v start with basics and then it can evolve into a full blown thing with RTOS.

Blogger

I also think of applications ready for microcontrollers

 

Practical examples.

Program Manager

@jkvasan - you can count me in for any help on Arduino related tutorial stuff.

 

Program Manager

jkvasan I think it is better to start with a lighter version of an embbeded system ,not with RTOS 

System supervisor

@ad, other site editors have set up independent file hosting sites using available free services. I will try to set up a site for MCC if folks think it will be valuable. It won't be here on this site, though. Sigh. I will also ask our tech department if they can arrange something here, but I am not hopeful.

Blogger

Dropbox is a great solution.

 

 

Program Manager

RQ, 

I would love to but I think the tutorial must bea collaborative effort. culmination of all these specialist minds.

Blogger

antedeluvian, count me in. If I want to upload files, I need to use the dropbox

Blogger

@jk - any suggestions of who could write such a tutorial series?

Blogger

@Rich

Another thing that we can't do at the moment is provide files. Is there any possibility in the future?

Blogger

sure nemos. looking forward to that

Blogger

Richard,

 

I think we should explore more applications for this OS connectivity entres and microcontrollers.

 

I believe that automation applications, such as remote control.

Program Manager

Jkavasan I have the perfect book for y wait a sec , you want a start to RTOS ? 

System supervisor

Rich - That's right. There is always USB or RS232, but I've run into a few cases where I wanted to talk stright to the hardware.

Blogger

which builds up to the level of using  a RTOs

Blogger

@AD, you can link to YouTube in any of your posts - blog or comment. We can also host our own videos, but not sure that is available on this site due to sponsor limitations

Blogger

by the way , I will focus on the arduino as well ,Hey jkvasan my best wishes to y as well 

System supervisor

I am looking at basic tutorial on getting started with embedded systems. This could be useful to those young minds who are looking for a start.

Blogger

Nemos, 

I believe this is a major breakthrough for low cost automation connectivity.

Program Manager

@david, you looking for an overview of avaialble applications, or info on how to create them? What kinds of applications? Or are you looking for guidelines on how to choose an MCU for a Java/Android application?

Blogger

I would like to see a slight addition in presentations. I don't think our "package" precludes it. It would be nice to have some avi files as part of a blog showing how things work etc. as a movie. I think I have seen something like this in Rich's blogs but no other. I have an idea for one on what I have done in Android. Is it possible Rich?

Blogger

Hi all

wish you all a gr8 2013

 

Blogger

@duane, so you're looking for  a how-to on getting access to hardware? Something on driver writing perhaps?

Blogger

David , the open source movement or in other words the make movements is booming so the coming days,year we will see a lot of projects on this subject, 

System supervisor

Hi antede - Luvian 

System supervisor

I've been thinking about applications related to microcontrollers for applications or JAVA ANDROID

Program Manager

I'd like to see something about accessing low-level hardware through Android or Linux, i.e. some PC motherboards have an SMB/I2C bus.

Blogger

Rich - It wasn't easy to set up, but I've got it working on my Android phone now.

Blogger

Well, operating systems seems like a topic many have mentioned

Blogger

On new technologies for 2013, what do you have in mind to discuss the MCC?

Program Manager

@duane, my library also offers readers pre-loaded with books for loan. Neat idea.

Blogger

ok. Thanks. I know Amazon runs promotions some times. And other times there are free books that turn out to be worth the price. But these sound useful

Blogger

check this out ,you should see 0.00$ 

http://www.amazon.com/Whats-New-Java-7-ebook/dp/B005XSS8VC/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1357228877&sr=1-3&keywords=java

System supervisor

I've recently discovered that I can check out e-books from my local library. Basically I "buy" the book at no cost and it just stops being useable after the check-out period. The Library might have rights to five copies of a given book so if five are in use, I'll have to wait for someone else to give it up or their borrow term to expire.

Blogger

I am just a regular member , wait i will sent you a link for todays free ebooks in java for example 

System supervisor

no I am not 

System supervisor

@nemos, those free books from Amazon, is that because you are part of Amazon Prime?

Blogger

Hello Duane,

Really free ebooks  from AMAZON ?

 

Program Manager

Hello Duane 

System supervisor

Godd morning. I had trouble getting to the site too, but the direct link to here worked

Blogger

Hello Rich ,ok 

System supervisor

I think will be a great year, (in creativity terms) at least for my part I will try, I had discovered something fantastic , you can purchase ebooks from amazon for free ;) 

System supervisor

Hi all, the site seems to be having a problem. I had to come in a back door to get here.

Blogger

Hello David , 

 

 

System supervisor

Let's start the year well

Program Manager

Happy New Year to ALL , I wish a very good start ,

 

System supervisor

January is a good time to plan for the year. So, come help plan the year's activities on Microcontroller Central. We will be talking about what we did here this last year, and what we would like to see in the coming year.

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