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Thursday, Jan 17, 11am EST - Will ARM dominate MCUs?  a repeat of the chat that the system went down on us for

Blogger

ok, well the hour is up and I have an editorial meeting to attend. Thanks all for joining in. Tune in next week for the next chat

Blogger

mostly done the digikey stuff. Trying the Coursera for the first time this year

Blogger

I haven't done a lot of online education, but I've done some

Blogger

yes, our dependence on technology is increasing. Could be a problem.

Blogger

AD - Instead of traffic jams, every now and then the system will just stop and we'll all be stuck somplace in our pods until it gets back up running again.

Blogger

so, who here has not tried some form of online education?

 

back to the topic at hand

Blogger

The only thing that worries me is the level of technology we need to support modern society and the future developments. I mean, you can't just place a GPS stattelite in orbit with a day's notice. What if someone screws up the software and things go down for a while as seems to have happened to Blackberry.

Blogger

got quiet all of a sudden ...

Blogger

so, who here has not tried some form of online education?

Blogger

AD - I could see both being practical in a decade.

Blogger

if there are no humans

This guy was talking about humans getting around, to and from work etc. There are no remote drivers of the cars- you plug the coordinates of where you want to go, pick up a newspaper, or watch TV until you get to your destination. The car and its electonic controls do the rest.

Blogger

why not use cars. Haulage carries goods only, cars carry people

Blogger

We are saying the same thing. I like haulage robot and not robot "cars". Why use the word "cars"?

Word wizard

Afritgo - That's an interesting way of looking at it. Why is home delivery too expensive for all but high priced items? Because of the labor required to drive it to our house. We provide that labor when we drive to a store. With a robot car, it would become much less expensive

Blogger

The use of the word "car" is wrong as having autonomous cars to avoid traffic for the remote driver does not mean the passeger is not experiening traffic. But if there are no humans, let us say haulage systems

Word wizard

AD - That wouldn't surprize me too much. Although, I expect it would be treated more lik a car-pool lane or a seporated expressway that have the robot cars

Blogger

""autonomous cars " driving who? They better call them haulage systems. If you need to pick things in malls and there is no need to drive. Why do we need a car with no seat. We can use haulage systems. I see no reason to stay in that car as a passenger to make someone program me an avoi the traffic.

Word wizard

 Give me the car key and let me drive.

The world is changing. I was listening to a futurist on Science Friday (NPR). He was saying with traffic congestion and safety the majority of roads would only be available to autonomous cars through public policy.

Blogger

I wouldn't object to auto-piloted planes either - but maybe not for a few more yeares yet

Blogger

I think the plane needs a physical presence because of the haptic cues to be had

Blogger

the car is fine - at least there are choices. but for planes, I have few. I will not even like to seat in car while someone remotely programs my movement. Give me the car key and let me drive.

Word wizard

I'd drive an autonomous car

Blogger

We will see more supervisions of online programs. They have a role but they will not change universities as we know

Program Manager

what about an autonomous car?

Blogger

It is like licensing flying auto-commercial planes. I will never fly a plane that the pilot is piloting remotely. The deal that both of us are at risk makes pilots better. If they mess, they die. What is the incentive for them to take me from Japan to U.S. while they are in Germany talking on the phone with girlfrinds piloting me?

Word wizard

Oh, I remember getting lecture note copies

Blogger

Correct - the structure of education will change. But not for many programs.

Word wizard

When I think of how many lectures I, and others missed I must agree that online lectures are no worse and probably better, since you don't have to rely on others' notes. I remeber I would ask someone to write his notes using carbon paper! Photocopying was not great an expensive.

Blogger

but the structure of education will change.

Blogger

CEO of IBM thought there would only be three computers in the us. One on each coast and a backup in the middle. Head of patent office once quit saying everything had been invented. I dont trust such pronouncements

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I read that in Businessweek and that coming from a Stanford professor

Word wizard

Sebastrum Thrum, the Udacity man said in 2050, the world will have only 10 traditional universities

Program Manager

never said they would displace traditional universities

Blogger

online is only one part of the solution. but a big part

Blogger

I am a believer of online programs but to think it can displace traditional universities is a stretch. I do not see that happening. There are many issues with these programs

 

Program Manager

but they will replace lectures

Blogger

that's a lab. Online doesnt mean you replace labs. They will still be needed

Blogger

In my college, Johns Hopkins, civil students take the first cement lab in secon year

Program Manager

hey, now, this is not the answer for everything. Some things need hands on, and will have hands on. but there is a lot that doesnt

Blogger

goafrit, in a traditional college, when do the students touch concrete?

Blogger

Oh yes, mastering medical surgery through watching videos online.

Word wizard

Maybe by splitting it up, more  effort could be put into the things that require hands-on work

Blogger

People have always had the choice of learning at home for centuries. But we go to school not just to learn theories but build networks. MBA in Harvard is a paper but the contacts is priceless. How can MBA in one online school do that?

Program Manager

I've got my first kid in college and it sure sounds like at leaset half of what they do could just as easily be handled online

Blogger

Good point but we are going to have civil engineers that watch shows and lecturers and never touch cement to build bridges. Until someone proves these programs can go beyond CS and management sciences, I am an unbeliever

Program Manager

my point is what of the practicals and labs? the good of university brick and mortar ones is that they invest in labs. Are you saying I can stay at home and get a medical degree?

Word wizard

that TED talks lecture someone posted a link to in my blog has very interesting insights into the problems and solutions in online education

Blogger

still, it possible to network the test equipment and give students access. Harder to scale than simply receiving the lecture

Blogger

but destructtive testing of cement samples is hard to do without a lab

Blogger

afritgo, depends on what you are teaching. Civil engineering is taught in lecture halls, and anything taught in lecture halls can be adapted for online.

Blogger

I'll look that one up

Blogger

btw, duane, coursera has a class on robotic motion control, I think

Blogger

That is the effect of online education. Yet, it is too soon to know if you can do that in engineering. Can you teach civil engineering via the web? Most of these courses are CS courses and not engineering

Word wizard

@duane, thanks I may need that as I creep forward on this image frame project

Blogger

Here's the python url: http://www.codecademy.com/tracks/python

Blogger

codeacademy.com

Word wizard

one of the exciting things I see about online is how it multiples the power of the instructor. Rather than giving the same class 10 times he can create 10 classes. And rather than needing 100 teachers for the same course in colleges throughout a region you can have 100 courses.

Blogger

The reason why Code Academy works is because it is coding

Program Manager

don't know codeacademy. is that its url as well?

Blogger

The Codecademy system is interesting in that there isn't any lecture. It's an automated interactive step by step system. It's good in that you get to actually code and go at your own pace, but not so good in that you can't really venture outside of the script.

Blogger

AD, if that works for you, great. Everyone has a different preference. Some like to just get the slides and ignore the lecture unless there is a specific slide they are curious about

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Rich

mthe digikey presentations are archived

I stand corrected. However I have attended some presentations that were live, and formed my preference then. I just prefer to watch them after the fact so I can stop and repeat.

Blogger

One of the developing trends in the industry is user education and how most are using their websites to educate. That is expected to stay for a long time.

Program Manager

The model of archiving lectures save companies costs for mundane and repetitive support

Word wizard

@Rich. You are correct in that insight.

Program Manager

AD,mthe digikey presentations are archived as are the chats (just like this one) so you can get the lecture part at any time and repeat as needed. Just no live interaction.

Blogger

duane, the advantage is that the smart kids go as fast as they can and the slow kids can repeat as much as they need. The teacher provides guidance and help. And classroom can be joint projects and application-oriented to solidify understanding. It shifts the burden somewhat

Blogger

Rich

AS, I thought the online courses were canned?

It seems to me that some courses like the Digikey ones are done live so that you get a chance to ask questions. maybe I am wrong. I registered fo a series and through a sheduling foul up missed them.

Blogger

The flipped classroom idea makes a lot of sense to me. But I suppose it may take more discipline than a lot of kids have, not to mention the extra time involved.

Blogger

AS, I thought the online courses were canned?

Blogger

I've started on their Pythin course. I also started on an online Java class from someone else, but I guess I suffer from the same problem of not finding or making the time to keep it up

Blogger

duane, that's known as the flipped classroom. The teacher becomes a coach or mentor rather than a lecturer

Blogger

I have tried some, but I prefer my courses canned. That way I can stop and replay 3,4,5 times till I hear & understand what they are saying

Blogger

I don't recall the details, but a few years back, I read about a hybid class system someone was trying out. The idea was that rather than listen to the lecture in a class romm and then go home and attempt to do the homework, students would watch online instruction at home and then come in to do the homework in class where they could get help

Blogger

HI ad. You tried any of these online courses?

Blogger

the speaker points out that one online class was a replication of a class normally taught to 400 students a year. The online had a registration of 100,000, or 250 years worth of students

Blogger

the TED talks link in one of the comments to the online education blog is a really good one about how this online stuff changes the educational dynamic

Blogger

That does sound geeky :-)

Blogger

Have you heard of codecademy.com?

Blogger

boy doesn't that sound geeky

Blogger

I find that if it is totally flexible, I never make the time. I need the discipline of a set schedule. Without a scheduler, my interrup-driven life results in too many priority inversions.

Blogger

well, the fixed schedule thing is pretty flexible in that you don't need to be live at a set time and day. But you do have to keep a steady pace. Since we're both signed up for courses we are going to do our study time together. We have separate computers about 8' apart. Might need to upgrade my Internet, tho.

Blogger

I've done some self-paced online education before but can't quite get to the fixed schedule classes

Blogger

I've got to look through the course list. I never seem to have enough time.

Blogger

weather is rainy and cold today, snow in higher elevations

 

Blogger

well, I signed up for the Coursera DSP and image processing courses, and my wife signed up for one on online education (shes a teacher)

Blogger

How are things up North?

Blogger

I'll try to attend. Besides the technical webinar's I find the 10-20 minute video format followed by TED talks and www.khanacademy.org to be just the right length. Aforementioned 2 websites are not MCU focussed, but they have interesting stuff. Khanacademy is very good for middle-to-high school, and they may be the way how education is delivered in the future particularly for technical subjects.

Word wizard

Hope to attend

Program Manager

I'm stuck with chores all morning, so won't be able to participate -- but I look forward to reading the transcript later on.

If you all have the time, I'd be really interested in what how you think MCU technology itself might contribute to continuing education and learning.

Blogger

Very interesting topics. Looking forward to it

Blogger

Continuing education is a must for working engineers, and often a passion as well. Come talk about your experiences and interests in online technical training.

Blogger


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